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Mr Obvious
Senior Member
USA
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 Posted - 08/07/2007 : 03:10:46
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Just Kidding !!!
Ricks car was checked after the races and nothing was found. Rick was not happy that someone thinks he is cheating. Rick, my dad and I talked about this and we think you should take it as a compliment. We all know that you are a very good NO BOX racer and for someone to think that you have to cheat to be as good as you are you should take it as a compliment. I think what is going on with your dial-in board is that when you turn it on it tells it's part # but thats just my 2 cents.
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Mr Obvious... DRAGSTERS RULE !!!!! |
Edited by - Mr Obvious on 08/07/2007 03:26:42 |
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89firebird
Advanced Member
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 21:11:21
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It's all good!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Charlie @ The Race Shop
Junior Member
USA
15 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 21:16:02
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| If anyone needs a box it would be me. I cut a .375 and a .127 the last time I drove it. No wounder he won,t let me drive. |
Charlie Sikes
The Race Shop
Engine Development and Components
One Of The Cylindrically Challanged
Quitters Never Win and Winners Never Quit |
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89firebird
Advanced Member
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 21:21:07
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Hey Charles---that .127 was as good as my light in the 1/4s Sat. night---LMAO!!!! |
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89firebird
Advanced Member
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 21:24:23
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Clayt---ask me this Saturday and I'll tell you why the board flashes those #s. |
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dragmaster
Average Member
USA
48 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 22:04:48
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| I've seen his lights, if he has a box, he seriously needs a new one. |
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wanna_go_faster
Junior Member
17 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2007 : 11:58:45
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| if ya cant beat em' call em' a cheater. |
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89firebird
Advanced Member
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2007 : 16:07:25
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dragmaster
Average Member
USA
48 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2007 : 18:43:52
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I witnessed the inspection for an illegal device. It was done very orderly, timely, courteously and professionally, although, it should probably never have happened at all. Seems like it may have been done as a grudge or to play head games; he is high in points. I don't pretend to know all the specifics, so I will comment this way.
The issues I see: 1)There should be a strict and formal written procedure to evaluate the situation. There needs to be a checklist of conditions to be met to warrant an inspection; you know, some kind of evidence. IE, has there been more than one complaint. Was the complaint lodged by a racer that lost because of the suspected condition or is it a grudge. Let's look at the time slips and see if if there is a pattern that might warrant an inspection, whatever, but establish checks and balances. This is serious and if you are going to accuse someone, there better be a reason that can't be explained. Leaving the only recourse an inspection.
2) Was the condition brought to the racer to correct before an inspection was warranted, allowing the racer to answer for or correct the condition and be put on notice that if uncorrected, further actions will be enforced. (This is still America and innocent until proven guilty approach should still prevail).
3)A list of complaints need to be kept on file for inspection, evaluation, dispute and determination of violation and fines etc, for the situation. Complainant names can be withheld and linked to a master file so documentation exist for proof of fairness and so complainants are not singled out if they wage a complaint.
4) Any complaint must be accompanied by at least a $500.00 cash deposit. This will help keep it fair for all and not allow the situation to be used to play head games or retaliation for whatever. If an inspection is believed to be warranted (from pre-established criteria having been met, the $500.00 is used for racer and track inconvenience if the racer is found legal. If found illegal, the $500.00 is returned to the complainant and the illegal driver is dealt with according to the written procedures. ie, the driver is fined or suspended, both, loss of points for the season etc.
This will allow for fairness to all, whiners will have to either put up or shut up, provide some kind of proof and grudges will be kept out of the situation.
Lastly, the inspection should be done at an impound area out of the view and knowledge of the general racers in a well lit and equipped area.
Let's fact it, the accusation of cheating is very serious and should be delt with very seriously with both parties: from acquiring evidence to dealing with parties involved.
Also, there are many ways to skirt the rules and requirements. I know of cars requiring certification that compete anyway.
We all like to think of ourselves as professionals, lets conduct ourselves that way.
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Randy S
Average Member
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 Posted - 08/09/2007 : 23:51:48
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| Great post Dragmaster! Number 4 on your list is the one I thought was in effect for instances like this. I know in alot of racing whether car , snowmobile or motocycle, unless the protest and inspection is requested by the circuit directors, there s a fee charged for the inspection to take place. It is done this way to get rid of the random inspections just to make things miserble for everyone involved. It's a harsh thing to accuse someone of cheating in motorsports. Personally, I feel the person who is logging the protest should be a known item too, at least to the one being protested. We have a great sport here and we don't need this B.S. because of "sour" grapes. Everyone in each class pays the same entry fee, so after that point it's up to each driver and team to do their best to win. It's all about preparation and momentum, so continued good luck to 89Firebird family team and ALL racers for the last 5 races of the season. It will be exciting!!! |
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Professor Knowledge
New Member
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Posted - 08/10/2007 : 09:47:32
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| I was told by the person who did the inspection that a racer who is not in hot rod observed numbers coming up on ricks led dial in board that looked like a delay time to leave off the top bulb,this info was given to roger,who then asked the committee in charge of inspections to take a look,no grudge or sour grapes,just mysterious numbers coming up on his board,a delay box or manual controller is required to drive one of these boards |
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89firebird
Advanced Member
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 15:07:04
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| #1--My dial-in board has been in the car for almost two full seasons now. It has performed the same functions for the entire duration of it's use. If this person in top needs to concern themselves with something that has been exactly the same for two years, they should concentrate more on there racing, and maybe they wouldn't have idle time to use uselessly. #2--If this person thinks that I had a .013 set in a delay leaving off of the top bulb, that explains why they have idle time to watch others. Explain to me how a .013 delay would work off of the 2nd bulb let alone the 3rd.???? #3--As many have said already--if your going to go as far as acussing someone, know what your talking about!! The manual control box to set my dial-in is in plain view and has been since it was installed. As Randy also said, if your going to go to the point of acussations, be willing to let it be known who you are. I completely agree with having to lay $$$$ down before you oepn your mouth as well. As I was told, it's even in the IHRA rule book. I requested $100 before the inspection of my car, and it was denied. Everyone has showed me alot of suort over this B.S., and they all say "take it as a complimant" I agree, but only to a certain point. Being tore down in the eye of every racer to see and hear about is a bit of a insulting deal. You don't have to like me, but when you go that far and insult my integrity, you've crossed the line. I'm not mad about this at all, it's all just a bit dissapointing. I don't care about the $100 for the tear-down, I'd like a $1000 foot brake race w/ my accuser. |
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dragmaster
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 08/10/2007 : 19:11:21
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| If the committee was asked to look into it, it's one thing. This could easily have been explained by looking at the individual, his time slips, the electronic etc. My gosh, how about confronting the racer and asking "whats up". Do a tear done on a whim, in the dark, in front of everyone, now that even I question. Did I mention in the Dark. While I commend Roger on taking some kind of action to a complaint, like I said earlier, there needs to be more information gathered first, then sent to committee with results then acted upon "if " there is enough evidence that points to cheating. That's how I see it. |
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89firebird
Advanced Member
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 20:42:02
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| Thanks for the support Dragmaster! However, I've read professor knowledge's statement that it was not sour grapes. Do any of you really think that if the very same set of circumstances were handed on to Roger, bearing no real log, proof or evidence, the same tear down would have occured so quickly? I seriously doubt it. It's Rick Fuller, so no biggie if we go out in the pits in front of everyone to see and accuse him of cheating. Anybody want to lay any $$ down that someone will be @ the starting line this weekend watching me too?? Also--I have absolutely no bones with the inspector of my tear down. He is a great guy and I even phoned him to re-assure him that my "lack of happiness" Saturday had nothing to do with him. However, "if" Professor knowledge is a truthful person, and the inspector did converse with him on this issue---that was out of place. It is by no means anyone elses buisness what went on Saturday night, nor should the inspector feel at liberty to discuss the sequince of events with anyone other than Roger-track officials-or myself. If the intentions were simply to announce my "not guilty" charge, that's all fine and dandy. But the actuall act should not be something to be discussed by a commitee member, and other racers. If anyone wants to know something about it, simply ask me. I do not have a problem with that. |
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89firebird
Advanced Member
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 20:52:40
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| Sorry--in my last post--about the "same set of circumstances" and the tear down--I was simply saying, if it were almost any other racer, do you think a tear down would have been requested so quickly without any type of history or suspisions? Truthfully, I do appreciate all your comments-concerns and support greatly, but I'd just like this issue to go away for now. I've got other things to think about and concentrate on. I am going to leave this behind as a "no harm-no foul" kinda thing. I'm glad it was brought up-Thank you Obvious!--but I'm done commenting on this one. Time to put it to rest. Just remember though--you could be the next one. Maybe someone needs to step up and spell things out clearly for all to understand.Good luck to everyone tomorrow!!!! |
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Rick Fuller caught using Electronics???
