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big inch
Junior Member
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 Posted - 01/19/2009 : 10:09:27
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what does every body think about in the final race between the box and no box cars if we flip a coin to race box or no box.it is a gamblers race.lets see if we can even things up a bit for that final and make things interesting.what do yah think?
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11sec.C3
Senior Member
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Posted - 01/19/2009 : 12:19:35
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| I kind of enjoyed it the way it was last year. |
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"Dog Eat Dog"
Starting Member
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Posted - 01/19/2009 : 15:25:00
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| Are you suggesting that the no box car would have to purchase and set up a delay box for one race? I dont think you would get to good of support on that deal as delay boxes can be very expensive as some of them do more than just delay.Most other tracks in the area do it just as Roger is and it works out well.You would be surprised how often the non-electronics car wins at these events,some of the drivers we have in no-box make the box cars look terrible,even the juniors are cutting excellent lights.I like it the way it is. |
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big inch
Junior Member
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Posted - 01/19/2009 : 16:21:06
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| I am saying that the person who wins the flip picks the race either box or no box. and if you look at the results for as long as been a gamblers race,about 75% of the wins have been box cars. they do have a advantage. |
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"Dog Eat Dog"
Starting Member
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Posted - 01/19/2009 : 18:26:23
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| Why do you think the box car has the advantage? More speed more power equals more chance of spinning the tires and not hooking up.The faster you go the more variables there are.If running with a box is a advantage why would you not put a box in your car and run Top? I have run and won both ways and neither is easy.Its all a couple thousands on both ends and the best car and driver wins.Ive seen the likes of the Fullers,Kunzers,Klein and so on go double 0 and right on lots of times so I believe its a fair game and when its your day its your day. |
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88Camaro
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2009 : 18:27:48
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| I agree that it should be left the way it is. I haven't heard of any other complaints running it the way it is. I'm one of the 25% that have won it in no-box with a high 11 sec car. I don't want to spend the money to buy a box to use once a year if you are lucky. Just my thoughts. |
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Randy S
Average Member
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 Posted - 01/19/2009 : 20:00:59
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I wish I could remember for sure but I think a No Box car won the shootout the first 4 yrs in a row. I think this year was the 5th or sixth year. I think Steve Keller won it with his black Camaro once, Scott Jeager w/ his El Camino was another I think that won Box Free. If anyone knows for sure who won some of these races post them here. The format is great as is right now. |
Edited by - Randy S on 01/19/2009 20:03:34 |
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89firebird
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2009 : 21:13:47
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| Let me explain what I believe Big Inch was getting at---it's not real difficult to figue it out. They're saying flip a coin for the final two--box and no-box. If the boxer wins the flip, just run it as is. If the no-box car wins the flip, the boxer pulls the box and actually evens the run up at the tree. It's racer against racer. I've also seen this a few times. Makes things more interesting. If I'm wrong Big Inch, please explain. |
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11sec.C3
Senior Member
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 06:04:14
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| Randy a box car won this year. The Gustman Vega.I think the box car might be at a disadvantage if he had to run without a box.All year fine tuning your lights on the first bulb now in one run try and leave on a different light. While the no box car has been doing this all year. I know i would be in trouble if i had to find a spot to leave with out a box. Unless i had a couple practice runs to see where on the tree to leave.And i would think the no box car would run as is with no box. Instead of trying to leave on a different light than they nomally do. |
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Z-34WX84
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 07:19:45
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| For the first time in my life I agree with 11sec.C3. I would have no idea where to leave without a box. It would be like puting a box in the no box guys car for one round of racing, he wouldn't have the slightest idea what to put in the box. I understand what big inch is saying, however, I personaly couldn't run my car without the box. My box controls alot more than just the starting line delay. I suppose I could two foot it but would have to guess on what to dial because I guarantee it wouldn't run the number. Plus it wouldn't be a 2 minute job to take the box out of the car, it would delay the race and if it were cold outside could cause us to lose the track. Now if the no box guy would be O.K. with the box guy just puting all zero's in the delay and leaving the box in than I guess I could see it. But than like 11sec.C3 said the box guy would be at a much larger disadvantage than the no box guy had they just run their cars the way they are. Not to mention, who's to say that box guy doesn't just add the delay back into box once he does his burnout. I would never do this and I would like to believe that all of the people that we race against are good honest sportsman and wouldn't do such a thing either, but there is that possibility. And I'm sure there are more than a few no box guys that wouldn't be O.K. with just taking someones word for it and that's understandable. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I understand what big inch is saying and I think it is a valid point, but in alot of situations I just don't think it would work out as easy as some may think. |
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11sec.C3
Senior Member
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 08:31:21
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| Have the run off on a pro-tree that will even it up for everyone. The delay box would not have any advantage. The box car would need to put .000 in the box then. Or at least i would. |
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Z-34WX84
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 09:02:23
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| Or just leave it the way it is, if you had a cross-over box you could still cross-over and actually make yourself a little quicker by taking some out of the cross-over. Or for some of the quicker reacting cars or drivers, you could just add a little bit so you don't red light. I'm sure there's a smart ass comment to follow 11sec.C3, but I'll deal with it. |
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11sec.C3
Senior Member
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 09:19:47
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| No sir its a new year.I need to earn the right to make a comment. And that could be in May before that happens... |
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wirtower
Administrator
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 09:27:39
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| Doesn't all of this defeat the purpose of the box, no box run-off. It's not for the big money. It's just a little extra cash, and most of all---- bragging rights. |
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"Dog Eat Dog"
Starting Member
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 15:42:44
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| Rick, when have you seen a box car take out the box for a final in a combo race? Ive never heard of this or seen it.That would be like taking away some of our equipment that we used all year and would not even anything up,it would give the no box car a great advantage like Z-34 said. As long as were doing odd things to even things up,if the flip comes out no box and the boxer removes his electronics including automatic shifters(because most shifters run thru our boxes now)the no box car could put on street tires (not slicks) to even things up,now we both have a unknown comodity and would make for a really exciting race. I am just being sarcastic here but lets use some sense in this,I agree with the tower,let it the way it was.............................. At least there is something to read on here now. |
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89firebird
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 16:54:16
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| Well, if you really want to make sense of it and be practical, how about you take that final bonus money and split it in half then? Because in all actuallity, both cars have already won thier respective classes. I agree--it could be viewed as bragging rights, however, why don't you ask a few racers(in any class) if it's not a issue to try and recover some of your spent funds. If you don't care about winning, that's why you don't do it more often. We could sit here and do that break down of fair parts removal forever, or at least until we were down to each other using tricycles. I didn't make this post, I simply understood what Big Inch was getting at. And yes, I have read about it in Drag Review Mag. happening at more than one track in the past. I seriously could give a crap less whether or not you take my word for it or not. Take the average reaction times of the top ten racers in Top and compare them to the average from top ten in Hot Rod--what do you think you'd end up with? This is simply a guess on my part, but I'd think Top would be in the high 00s to somewhere in the low 020s (average) Hot Rod is probably in that .030s to .050s range(average). Ya---that's pretty even isn't it? Split the $$$ and if the two want a run off to brag about, have at it. I'll run against a box car anytime, I really don't care. Like I said, I didn't make the post. Why don't you quiz Big Inch on this stuff instead of me? Oh, and that average reaction time guesstimate of mine for box class was for WIR only. Go to Byron with your .020 and see where it gets you. |
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